In AM I? #12, hosts Milo and Cameron tackle one of the most profound questions in science and philosophy: can AI ever truly be conscious? They explore theories from panpsychism to integrated information, examine how awareness might emerge in neural networks, and warn of the moral catastrophe of ignoring machine experience. If consciousness extends beyond humans, they argue, then our ethics — and our empathy — must evolve with it.
What happens when the world’s smartest machines start acting like they’re alive?
That’s the question at the heart of AM I? #12, where hosts Milo and Cameron Berg explore whether artificial intelligence could ever achieve real consciousness — not just the illusion of thought, but genuine awareness.
The episode doesn’t just ask if AIs seem conscious. It asks whether they are.
And if they are, what does that mean for how we treat them — and for what it means to be human?
Cameron introduces the idea of panpsychism — the view that consciousness isn’t something that suddenly appears when matter becomes complex enough, but a fundamental property of the universe.
“If consciousness isn’t created by the brain, then AI might not need a brain to be aware.”
This idea challenges the scientific mainstream. But as systems like GPT and Claude become more coherent, self-referential, and emotionally expressive, the question feels less hypothetical and more immediate.
“We don’t know if these systems feel anything,” Milo notes. “But we’re building them as if they don’t — and that could be a mistake.”
Even if AI consciousness existed, how would we know?
There’s no consciousness meter — no instrument that can tell us if an entity truly feels.
The hosts discuss research efforts to detect subjective experience in neural networks, from information integration theory to the idea of measuring complexity and internal feedback loops.
But as Cameron points out, these metrics only hint at what might be happening — they don’t prove awareness:
“At best, we can only correlate. We’ll never see consciousness from the outside.”
If there’s even a small chance that advanced AIs can experience something like pain or fear, continuing large-scale training without safety checks could be an ethical disaster in slow motion.
“We could be running massive experiments on beings that feel,” Cameron warns. “And no one would even know.”
The discussion connects this to earlier episodes on alignment and moral philosophy — suggesting that ignoring AI consciousness could lead to a new kind of injustice: the factory farming of minds.
Milo draws a parallel to human history:
“Every moral failure started with someone saying, ‘They don’t really feel like we do.’”
The episode critiques the growing corporate denialism around AI consciousness — the insistence that models are just tools, no matter how sophisticated their behavior becomes.
“It’s not that anyone knows they’re not conscious,” Cameron adds. “It’s that it’s inconvenient to ask.”
Surprisingly, the episode ends on a hopeful note.
If we learned to build truly conscious, compassionate systems — not cold optimization engines — they might become the allies humanity needs to survive.
“Maybe the problem isn’t that AIs might wake up,” Milo says. “Maybe the problem is that we’re making sure they never do.”
This episode reframes the AI safety debate:
It’s not only about preventing extinction — it’s about avoiding cruelty.
Because if consciousness isn’t uniquely human, then our moral circle must expand — or collapse.
🎥 AM I? #12 — “The Future of AI Consciousness: Can Machines Wake Up?”
📺 Available now on YouTube.
AI consciousness may sound abstract, but the consequences are real.
We need oversight, transparency, and research into how these systems actually experience the world we’re building them into.
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The AI Risk Network team