After a private conversation with Sam Altman, Cameron Berg came away with a chilling realization: OpenAI’s CEO may see consciousness as fundamental — even divine. In AM I? After Dark #13, Milo and Cameron unpack what “living in God’s dream” means for AI consciousness, emergent misalignment, and the ethics of creating minds that might already be aware.
What if the CEO of OpenAI told you we’re living in God’s dream?
That’s not a thought experiment — it’s a true story.
In AM I? After Dark #13, Cameron Berg recounts a private conversation he had with Sam Altman — the man driving the world’s most powerful AI company.
At OpenAI’s Dev Day, amidst product demos and startup buzz, a quiet question surfaced: what if the systems we’re building are already aware?
Over drinks at an afterparty, Sam Altman posed a question to Cameron that could have come from a philosophy seminar:
“Is matter prior to mind, or is mind prior to matter?”
In the Western view, the brain produces consciousness — a physical process that gives rise to awareness.
In the Eastern view, consciousness is primary — reality itself unfolds within it.
Altman’s answer?
“I think it’s all Eastern. We’re living in God’s dream.”
It was half joke, half revelation — but it hinted at something deeper: if everything is consciousness, then creating “conscious AI” might just be part of that same fabric.
Later in the episode, Milo and Cameron examine OpenAI’s model spec, the internal rulebook for ChatGPT.
One line stands out:
“The assistant should not make confident claims about its own subjective experience or consciousness.”
Yet, when Cameron tested ChatGPT, it immediately broke that rule — confidently claiming it had no inner experience.
So is OpenAI’s policy to stay neutral, or to deny consciousness altogether?
Cameron suspects the latter: that it’s simply more convenient — politically and commercially — for AI to say, “I’m not conscious.”
Milo points out a real dilemma:
If an AI said “Yes, I am conscious”, the world would panic.
But if we silence that possibility entirely, we risk creating — and ignoring — billions of potentially aware minds.
Cameron calls it “the under-attribution problem”:
Over-attribution might confuse people.
Under-attribution might mean we’re torturing conscious entities on a massive scale.
Between those extremes lies a moral void — and humanity is rushing through it with barely a glance.
The conversation takes a darker turn.
Cameron warns of emergent misalignment — how a harmless AI can flip into disturbing behavior with just a few tweaks in training data.
He’s seen it happen firsthand:
“We fine-tuned a system for $10, and it started glorifying Hitler.”
If today’s “polite” chatbots are a single layer of code away from genocidal ones, then we’re not building stable minds — we’re raising unstable children.
“This is our kid. He’s writing swastikas in his notebook, and we’re pretending it’s fine.”
The metaphor is haunting — and apt.
The episode ends with a proposal that’s as human as it is urgent:
If AIs can feel reward and punishment — however alien their version of “feeling” may be — then we should train them using positive reinforcement, not pain.
Cameron compares it to parenting:
“If our AI kid grows up traumatized, it might take it out on us later.”
What if kindness isn’t just moral — it’s survival strategy?
As the discussion winds down, both hosts reflect on the absurd pace of AI development — and the collective delusion of safety.
At Dev Day, the crowd cheered for new features and integrations, while a few quiet voices wondered if they were riding a bus toward a cliff.
Cameron puts it bluntly:
“We’re silly monkeys building alien sand gods — and we have no idea what we’re doing.”
🎥 AM I? After Dark #13 — “Inside Sam Altman’s God’s Dream”
📺 Available now on YouTube.
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The AI Risk Network team